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Guest Comment: My life as a parasite

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On another note, the whole GS thing - why do you think they invite so many firms to join their PSL? And guys this is not rocket science......  Read all comments »

As a headhunter, I am a parasite who will be first up against the wall when the revolution comes. I know this to be true, since Geraint Anderson, the former Dresdner analyst now known to be City Boy, says so.

It's the latest of many attacks upon my profession. Are we really that bad?

Yes.

How do I know? Well, at the Global Derivatives & Risk Management conference in Paris, our group ended up in a bar arguing about latency for algorithmic trading (which is what I did when I had a real job). In a momentary lapse of judgement, I let slip that I was now a headhunter. The guy sitting next to me jerked as if I'd stuck a pin in him, and flatly refused to rejoin the conversation, such was his loathing.

Over on Wilmott.com we read about someone whose career was capsized by a headhunter who "accidentally" sent his CV to his boss, and who is now sidelined.

One evening recently, I met with a senior manager at a bulge bracket who had been emailed so many CVs from one agency that day that it had taken down his inbox, causing real pain. So much for ‘search and selection’.

Why is it that bad?

Here's the answer I gave him whilst pouring the wine: "You know that XX carpet bombs CVs, you know they lie, and change CVs, yet you still do business with them."

Apparently they also regularly tried to take out staff they had put in, in straight violation of their contract, and since they are an entrenched supplier, "nothing can be done".

But that is exactly why you hate me – even though we've never met, and I don't actually work for one of the carpet bombers.

The same issue applies to candidates. Because I openly offer careers advice I get correspondence of this sort: "Is X bank really hiring an entry-level quant?” Of course not! Its headhunter is simply trying to get you to go for the interview in order to collect information.

Some deceit is done with cunning and secrecy, but if you can't be bothered to research the firm you're trusting with your career, then frankly you deserve what you get.

Repeat business in financial recruitment is the exception, not the rule – at least from the point of view of the candidate – and staff turnover at some agencies is at Indian call centre levels. Thus the agent cares only about getting bums onto chairs. The concept of a long-term relationship is alien to someone with a monthly target and no knowledge of the business.

I've done the CQF, but apparently most headhunters think Bloomberg is a skiing resort and that Black Scholes is some kind of upmarket shoe.

HR has a real opportunity to make this better: after each hire, ask about the quality of service the hiring manager got – some simple scale of 1-10 is enough. Then circulate the results. Bad agencies will feel pain very quickly.

Candidates can do the same: simply say, "I've read about you, goodbye", when they ring.

Until you do these simple things, stop complaining.

Dominic Connor is a director of P&D Quant Recruitment.

COMMENTS

Tim, Information Technology,  Thu 03 Jul 08

Dominic- why do you allow the same4-5 larger companies to advertise on Wilmott when you pretend to be so different? Wilmott has become a joke. Gone are the days - when the jobs were real. Any day you go onto it- you see the same jobs, worded in a different way by the same 4-5 culprits.So basically you are acting like a two faced pimp. You have made a fool of yourself in this article. And the candidates who actually discuss things with you on the wilmott forums- they need to understand- you are a cunning person saying what you think the world wants to hear.

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Chuck, Hedge Funds,  Thu 03 Jul 08

Let's keep it real; noone is saying anyone got pissed up - besides, if anyone did that is (at least in part) what conferences are for.  I think the incident about someone making a fool of themself was more referring to a generally low appreciation for what is tactful behaviour during presentations and Q&A sessions.

The real issue here is (as someone else has said) treating all recruitment companies as if there were no discernible difference in the quality of service.  "Headhunting" proper involves doing in-depth market research at the specific behest of a retained client.  Carpet bombing, fake advertising etc. is NOT related to headhunting - whether our friend from the Wilmott pages realises that what he does isn't actually headhunting is another story.

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Jamesisatool, HR & Recruitment,  Thu 03 Jul 08

"The way GS works is fine. At least they give people a chance. Other banks like BNP and JPM are a joke. They only go to people who basically flirt with their HR for a job."

Flirting is fun James, you should try it.

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Xuan, Private Equity / Venture Capital,  Thu 03 Jul 08

Yes let us all flirt and make the system worse than it is. Which headhunting company do you work for I wander? Another faceless one?

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Pierre, Derivatives,  Thu 03 Jul 08

I think the recruiters at these big contingency firms are recruiters and carpet bombers as  Dominic says.I did not know some of the bigger ones are all part of the same group too. I find that very shocking and worrying that if one has my CV , then others can easily get it too in the same group.I think what I read about HR departments then is bad. They should not use the ones who pamper them but good , trustworthy ones.

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Karla HR, HR & Recruitment,  Thu 03 Jul 08

Yes let us all flirt and make the system worse than it is. Which headhunting company do you work for I wander? Another faceless one?

Xuan 2 mins ago

Why dont we just start with the flirting and then move on to making the system even worse. We dont want to take on too much at once....

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Jolly Recruiter, HR & Recruitment,  Thu 03 Jul 08

28, hapily married, enjoy my job, earned £250k last year.  Never lied, cheated or falsified.  Sleep well every night.

Henry; the taste of failure is so sweet

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Rob, HR & Recruitment,  Thu 03 Jul 08

Large recruitment firms have become extremely unethical and will go to any lengths to make money. HR managers are aware that the PSL agreements they have in place with some of these large companies are being violated. These HR managers are also behaving in an extremely unethical manner by getting wined and dined (or bribed) and turning a blind eye in return. They have a duty to their shareholders who pay their salary and bonuses .

I worked as a  recruitment consultant for a few months at a well known firm (who advertise a lot on Wilmott) and one evening on a night out with some HR girls from a large bank, our firm's business developer openly proposed to them that they should ignore CVs from some of their competitors and pass on exceptional candidates to us. In return they would regularly get taken to the best restaurants, box seats at Arsenal home matches, hampers at Christmas etc. The bank's shareholders are the ones who ultimately lose. My advice is that HR should listen to the desk managers which firms to use. HR should act more ethically and inform their managers of firms they suspect of violating PSLs and banks should strike off firms guilty of this.

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Kathy, HR & Recruitment,  Thu 03 Jul 08

Karla, your comment doesn't make sense.  Stop trying to be clever.

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Geronimo, HR & Recruitment,  Thu 03 Jul 08

Ha! Ha!  Well put Jolly Recruiter, I have just sold my rec business for close to £20m and am actually writing this e mail off a beach.  Oh Henry, get back to your real job and enjoy it whilst it lasts.......

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